emotional thing since I liked my 7x57 so much. by Philip Massaro - Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). It was subsequently adopted by several other … vs. .340 Wby. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. Why not just a .280? 7x57 or 280 Remington. Steve. I used to shoot the 170 gr. Jul 22, 2019 #8 Wapiti426 New member. By Ron Spomer. The case capacity and velocities generated by the .280 Remington make is a great choice for those who want the capability to take elk at 400 yards, bear over bait at 40 yards, and everything in between. The 280 should beat it by a bit, but not much. Thanks all, I appreciate it. It’s essentially a short-action round that has the potential to run neck-and-neck with the longer .280 Remington. Wildcats be wildcats. Alas, like the 7x57 it suffers somewhat from a low maximum breech pressure, 56,000 psi. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. The 7x57mm Mauser is the brainchild of Peter Paul Mauser, developed in 1892, and was adopted by the Spanish Military a year later. A modern rifle in good condition being the only rider. I've loaded for both and have owned several 280's, 3-4 7x57, but have only worked with 140's in each because there was no requirement for a 160 for my hunting.All these rifles had 22" barrels and ran the gamut from Remington Mountain rifles to full blown customs. Posted: Tue … 7x57 or 280 Remington. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? My favorite rifle is a 7x57. To be honest, this is more of a personal, i.e. KSTEPHENS. I have a lovely Ruger Model 77 in 7 x 57 Mauser too, but thought just to be on the safe side to up gun from that to the 280. Go. One .270 Win round only has 280 inches of bullet drop at this range while another has 444 inches of bullet drop. There is no plains game animal the 30-06 cant take down. In fact, the .280 Remington may be one of the best balanced of the Springfield family. It’s on a VZ-24 Czech military Mauser action. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. 7x57 vs 7mm-08 Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by plp, Jun 6, 2018. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. 7x57 Mauser What rifle are you buying marked .257 Rigby? AH ambassador. Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. The 175-grain loads have actually received a bit of a boost over the years, with muzzle velocities in excess of 2400 fps, and are as effective, if not more, than what Karamoja had. With the 7mm-08 rounds, the top performing round only has 295 inches of bullet drop while another has 435 inches. Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . 284 Win. #3 The more efficient cases are a big part of the reason for enhanced accuracy since the powder burns more consistently. Mag. 7mm STW. I've got months to find a round that shoots well out of my .308, but October will be here quick. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best … Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. Thread Tools . My guesstimate is in a 22" barrel they are pretty much one in the same. The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. Which of these gets the nod? (The 7x57 was designed for 175 grain bullets and the 6.5x55 for 160 grain bullets.) The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? Long before it was used in the war it was the standard hunting rifle of many farmers. Hope you had a good Christmas. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir . Same cartridge, just different name. The .280 reamer will not clean up the old neck. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. Looking at the elder cartridge, the 7x57mm Mauser began life as a military cartridge, and went on to inspire America’s sweetheart, the .30-06 Springfield. I can't part with either one!!! vs. .300 Wby. By today’s standards, the 7x57mm Mauser is in the same league, albeit slightly less powerful than the .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm-08, and .284 Win. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. Twist rates for rifle barrels tend to differ slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and from decade to decade (1:9-1:10), therefore, experimentation with the full range of 7mm bullet weights is often a requirement. La balistique en quelques chiffres . vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. Et le quelle est le meilleur . Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. The 300 WSM has proven to be more accurate than a 300 win mag. March 20, 2020. I don't hand load, so would be reliant on factory ammunition. In the 7mm bore diameter, these are both middle of the road choices, giving the shooter enough horsepower to get the job done, yet both are usually easy enough on the shoulder to allow for accurate shot placement. Forced to pick between the two, the .280 gives more versatility and the sensible side of me will have to give the .280 Remington the nod. 1 of 2 Go to page. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. Nov 14, 2017 flu-flu Membre Confirmé Messages: 192 Images: 2 Inscription: 03 Mai 2003 21:33. 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag. Wow, what great bullet. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. Mag.• .375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum• 7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington• .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved• 7mm vs. .30 Caliber• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . In the first editions, a load is given for the .450/.400 Nitro Express (3 inch), but by Maybe the best way to really determine the difference in velocity potential between two cartridges is to perform tests including multiple rifles and loads loaded to the same pressure as determined by the latest test equipment. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. Can run 280/160's at 3,000 fps when taken to AI pressure level. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. I like the Norma 156-grain Oryx load at a muzzle velocity of 2641 fps, as that bullet had proven to be wonderfully accurate and I’m a fan of that bullet’s terminal performance. Top . It did, for the first few decades of its existence, suffer from the incredible popularity of both the .30-06 Springfield and the .270 Winchester, and went through that weird name change debacle in the late 70s/early 80s when it was known as the 7mm Express Remington. Using a rimless, bottlenecked case measuring 57mm (2.244 inches) and a bullet diameter of 7.25mm (0.284 inches)—the land diameter is where the 7mm moniker is derived—the Mauser design used a 173- to 175-grain round nose bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. Thread starter ATX762; Start date Jul 21, 2017; 1; 2; Next. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. IIRC, his findings were, due to the twist rate of the military barrel he used, rather displeasing as he was having a hard time finding an accurate load for his rifle; especially with lighter bullets. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Atkinson. Same dealer shows 4 options for 7x64 with 2 options in stock. EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? So, like the 7x57, the .280 Remington is at its best as a handloader's cartridge. Jump to Latest Follow Wage war across the galaxy with three unique and powerful races. Most major ammunition manufacturers offer at least one load for the .280 Remington, though it does still trail behind the .270 and .30-06. 7mm WSM. Since we're comparing 7mm rifle ammo, I'd probably take the ol' .280 Remington over either, or as I like to call it, the 7mm-06. and owned them. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. AGW- duh!!! The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. The 7×57mm Mauser (designated as the 7mm Mauser or 7×57mm by the SAAMI and 7 × 57 by the C.I.P.) Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. Sure, the 7mm Mauser is an old-timer, but this older round can keep up with newer ones. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. All comments are welcome and appreciated. ; 7mm Ultra Mag. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. Mag. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. 7x57 vs. .280 Remington. Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 built by Mike McCabe (z1r). 280 Remington. Probably not, partly because I was lucky enough to obtain it when the prices at Serengeti were a lot lower than they are now! Que peut-on attendre de ces 2 calibres en performance,subsonique et supersonique? 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. With slower powders the on paper data suggest thats possible at 65Kpsi. I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. I used to shoot the 170 gr. The 7x64 case is ever so slightly shorter than the .280 in case length dimensions but features slightly less body taper, evening out case capacity. Check it out! They also need less powder … Uncle Grinch, Mar … The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land.280 vs. 7x57 . The .30-06, and its older brother the .30-03, were necked up and down to hold bullets of many different diameters—think about the famous .270 Winchester, .25-06 Remington and .35 Whelen—but Remington released their .280 Remington in 1957. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. More Guns. Our modern bullets have done nothing but help the 19th century cartridge, making it even more effective than it was in the 1890s. I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. I am an idiot who needs sleep. I have owned(and still do) plenty of 7x57,7mm-08 as well as .280 Remington. Next Last. For example, in the first edition, there are loads for the .219 Zipper, .25-35, .280 Remington, 8x57, .358 Norma Magnum and .460 Weatherby; the 16th edition lists loads for the 6mm Creedmoor, .25-36 Marlin and 7.7mm Arisaka, among others. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year. Since I don't have access to such resources, I would tend to use an approximation. 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Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. In their data the 280 has 26" barrel and 24" for the 270 and the 280 has alittle better velocity. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. I love the 6mm Remington but it doesn't really have that much of an advantage over the 243 really. Wow, what great bullet. Like @wbm says, fine … Personally I don't have any experience with 7x57 on elk. Latest. Hoping to see it before our annual pilgramage to Kansas.... 11 October 2007, 04:16 . StarCraft II is a real-time strategy game from Blizzard Entertainment for the PC and Mac. Witold Krzyżanowski . The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Mag. 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. Shaw and just have your Ruger rebarreled to another 7x57 or to 280. Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . Like the .280, the best powders for the 7x64 are those in the 4350 through to 4831 burn rate range. If I were you I would load it with Hornady GMX/Barnes X and not worry that you are under gunned or need a 7 mm. Be advised that the neck on the .280 is a good deal smaller in diameter than the 7x57. 01 October 2011, 00:40. 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. Supporter . The result: a necked neck. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. DrMike Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. I had the .35 Whelan built some time ago for Elk hunting. Haut. In the High Velocity guise—the throat of the chamber is modified to work best with the 140-grain bullets—as is so popular in the U.K. for stalking red deer and hunting roe deer, the cartridge handles those species perfectly. Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:22 pm Posts: 459 Location: Washington State, USA I guess the nostalgia of the 7x57 appeals to me over the 280. Joined Feb 25, 2019 Messages 17 Location Colorado . Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. par flu-flu » 09 Fév 2005 21:54 . I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. … .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. Sing it Bob. HD . Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. Atkinson. _____ "So many rifles; so little time." The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? The 7mm Showdown: 7x57 vs. 7mm-08 Rem. 7mm Rem Mag. as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. With good handloads the cartridge comes very close to 7mm Remington Magnum performance--and does it in a shorter barrel while burning a whole lot less powder. The cartridge and the Mauser rifle of course to this day stand out as impeccable performers on Africa big game. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. and owned them. The 7x57 was a staple among those who lived in colonial Africa; the late Finn Aagaard related the story of the family’s 7x57 having a barrel that was shot out on game, not targets. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. They share the same case head diameter, and though the Springfield case is longer, there is no denying the resemblance. The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? Not trying to make any ground-breaking statements here, but something occurred to me when I was chrono-ing some loads yesterday, which is that my short-action … It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. _____ CDR3 Veteran, NRA Member. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. … This will be a tough one, as they are both excellent designs, with long histories of great field performance. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Under 200 yards you can't tell the difference. If you look at Nolser manual #6 they use custom barrels. As I pointed out on another thread , I have never been able to a .280 to shoot unless i loaded down quite abit. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. vs. .300 Win. I shoot 140s out of my .280 and have killed two bulls. My great room is littered with reloading manuals, articles ECT. At the turn of the 20th Century, with smokeless powder quickly replacing blackpowder, and jacketed bullets extending the terminal performance, the boundaries of acceptable cartridges were being developed and broken as technology progressed. … I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. ArmedBear Member. It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. Mag. I can't part with either one!!! 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. ! Pitiful. In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 … 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? Both great cartridges imo. Effective Game Killing Cartridge of the month: 300 Winchester Magnum Inspiration Show all Inspiration 10 tips for hunters in quarantine Wild Berlin - Hunting in urban areas The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. I remember reading a post written by BobVZ on the our old message board explaining his results of converting a 7x57 to a 280 Remington. Survival. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. 280 Ack Imp. In the hands of explorer/hunters like Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell, known by his African nickname “Karamoja,” the 7x57mm Mauser—marketed in the U.K. as the .275 Rigby—would be used as an all-around cartridge, for animals as small as impala all the way up to elephant. vs .280 Rem. - DrMike. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. The 7x57 is about perfectly balanced, case size vs. bore. 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